We've heard a lot about what it's like to build a company from scratch, but what's life like after you've made it? Steli Efti (@Steli) returns to the show for a casual chat about his experience being the CEO of a profitable and growing SaaS business for years. We talk about the importance of "building the house you want to live in," how to guide a company through its awkward teenage years, and how Steli is planning to get through the pandemic and the looming recession.

• Close — Steli's SaaS business, an all-in-one CRM tool: https://www.close.com

• Follow Steli on Twitter:   / steli  

• Email Steli, mention Indie Hackers, and ask for his sales e-book or for his toolkit for selling and finding customers during a crisis: [email protected]