Now that the dust has settled to a certain extent, how did we do with the pandemic? Which countries handled the situation best? Did we learn anything? How well did scientists do, and how well did the public, politicians, and the media do? In this episode of the podcast I speak with Australian immunologist and author Peter Doherty. Peter has won a range of distinguished prizes for his research including the Albert Lasker prize for basic medical research and the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine jointly with Rolf M. Zinkernagel. Peter is also a National Trust Australian Living Treasure, and was the 1997 Australian of the year. We discuss immunology, life in research, the Nobel prize, scientific ego, the role of science in politics, the struggles of young scientists, existential risk, and political polarization.

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These conversations are supported by the Andrea von Braun foundation (http://www.avbstiftung.de/), as an exploration of the rich, exciting, connected, scientifically literate, and (most importantly) sustainable future of humanity. The views expressed in these episodes are my own and those of my guests. This episode looks at (medical) science more broadly, and the role it played in maintaining stable and healthy societies during the pandemic.

Menu:
0:00 - Introduction
0:10 - An unusual start.
3:40 - Anthony Fauci and Trump.
7:40 - Anti-science.
10:30 - The role of scientists in politics.
13:30 - The limits of debate.
17:40 - Vaccine mandates.
23:00 - Which countries did a good job.
29:00 - Our immune system.
42:00 - Tattoos.
47:50 - Infectious vs deadly?
53:40 - Gain of function research and lab leaks.
1:01:50 - Pandemics vs climate change.
1:08:40 - Treating cancer.
1:13:50 - Nobel.
1:19:10 - The role of ego in science research.
1:24:20 - Science cartels and dead wood.
1:37:00 - Living up to expectations.
1:41:50 - The future of immune system research.
1:44:10 - Scientists are not priests.
1:48:30 - After the interview.

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