Andrew Yang joined Julian Casablancas for a wide-ranging discussion on the second episode of his new Rolling Stone interview series, S.O.S. — Earth Is a Mess.

The conversation found Yang discussing his presidential campaign earlier this year, the differences between candidate marketing and corporate marketing, and also the reforms he would like to see to make the democratic process more fair and accessible. For Yang, the two biggest changes needed are opening up primaries and instituting ranked-choice voting.

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