Welcome to another episode of SALT Talks with host Anthony Scaramucci and guest Josh Rogin, author of the book "Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the 21st Century". He is also an American journalist who serves as a foreign policy columnist for the Global Opinions section of @WashingtonPost and a political analyst for @CNN.

By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with president Xi Jinping had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office.

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