John: George Floyd’s murder was not an exclusively racial matter 0:09
Glenn: “We’re in the grip of hysteria” 9:41
John: Apparently anti-racism trumps even medical science 20:41
What it’s like being a black contrarian right now 28:22
Glenn: The real threat to black people is crime 32:53
John argues that fixing problems with the cops has to be the first step 40:48

Glenn Loury (Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, Brown University) and John McWhorter (Columbia University, Lexicon Valley, The Atlantic)

Recorded June 9, 2020