This excerpt is taken from the Russell Brand's "Under The Skin Podcast" with Jordan Peterson. Link below:

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In this segment, Jordan and Russell discuss spiritual transformation in the context of addiction and recovery.

This is the second meeting of the two men. This discussion was less confrontational than the first, though both were been expansive and conducive to thought. In my opinion, Russell is more willing to say things he doesn't fully comprehend than Peterson, who is generally more careful, but that's not always a bad thing. I'm really glad both of these humans exist, and I hope to see them have another conversation again soon. ~ The Bear Jew