Hanna talks to her child Jacob about the thing they've argued the most about: being on their phone.

Then, Hanna sits down with social psychologist Jonathan Haidt. In his new book, The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness, Haidt argues there is a direct tie between the wide distribution of smartphones and a rise in depression, anxiety, and loneliness among young people.

After which, Hanna asks Jacob: Did I ruin your life?

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