Dr. Jordan B. Peterson speaks with former-Scientologist and podcaster Aaron Smith-Levin. They explore his upbringing within the “church,” how Scientology entices new members, the basis for Dianetics in Freudian psychology, the religiously inspired twist only found behind multiple paywalls, the higher being known as Xenu, what broke Aaron’s belief, and his now ongoing fight against the manipulation of this still relevant, international cult.

Aaron Smith-Levin is a former Scientologist and host of the “Growing Up In Scientology” YouTube channel. He was also a main interviewee on the docu-series “Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath.” Since leaving the cult, he has devoted himself and his career to unmasking the harmful practices and beliefs held by the international religion.

This episode was recorded on December 23, 2023

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(0:00) Tour dates 2024
(0:40) Coming up
(1:04) Intro
(2:34) Discerning truth from falsehood
(4:23) Joining a religion that requires “no faith”
(10:51) The E-Meter: what it is and how it works
(12:06) How recruitment works, insecurity and financial incentive
(16:09) The real psychology L. Ron Hubbard built his religion on
(21:50) Bait and switch, from “scientific method” to sci-fi religion
(29:29) How cults use archetypes
(31:31) What are Thetans and Thetan Clusters?
(33:25) The Galactic Federation, Xenu, and the spiritual “Big Bang”
(36:10) Aliens made humans make up religions
(37:58) Earth is a galactic gulag
(39:29) L. Ron Hubbard claimed he was the Buddha
(40:00) Mans proclivity to mythologize everything
(41:28) What Scientologists are hoping to accomplish
(47:09) Becoming skeptical, the myth of the “upper confidential levels”
(53:35) The secret “International Management Base” in California
(55:18) Scientology VP’s: “It was an unmitigated hellhole”
(56:41) Dan Koon proved L. Ron Hubbard was a fraud
(58:43) Ethos versus actions, calibrating the truth
(1:05:15) Working as a staff member in the church
(1:06:26) Tom Cruise is a true believer
(1:10:30) Becoming a double age
(1:14:38) Snitching culture, being told to “disconnect” from his mother
(1:18:40) They tried to destroy my entire family, and we lost 95 percent of our community
(1:22:55) The Aaron Smith-Levin website is an orchestrated hit piece


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