Benjamin Bratton is a sociologist, design theorist and author. (Subscribe: https://bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)

His most recent book, 'The Revenge of the Real: Politics for a Post-Pandemic' world discusses the lessons he says that we can learn from our experiences with Covid-19 politically, culturally and technologically.

Benjamin talks to Krishnan about lecture on, 'What's wrong with TED Talks?, why he thinks we need a new language and why he thinks universal collaboration is of utmost importance.
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