Annie Jacobsen is a Pulitzer Prize finalist and New York Times bestselling author. Her newest book Nuclear War: A Scenario looks deep into the heart of the nuclear military establishment & is based on dozens of exclusive new interviews with military and civilian experts who have built the weapons, have been privy to the response plans, and have been responsible for those decisions should they have needed to be made.

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OUTLINE
00:00 - Writing
05:37 - Sources
08:35 - Nuclear war protocol
19:14 - Operation Paperclip
38:15 - Billy Waugh's briefcase nuke
40:00 - Otto Ambros
46:07 - Kurt Blome
50:52 - Science & morality
01:00:47 - CIA's original black site
01:03:32 - Walter Schreiber
01:05:15 - NASA
01:09:34 - UFOs
01:14:49 - Annie's take on UFOs; Strategic deception
01:23:36 - Nuclear secrets
01:29:41 - Public deception
01:38:01 - Human terrain mapping; first platoon
01:40:28 - Annie's "Deal" with CIA
01:48:39 - EG&G scientist "alien" medical experiment
01:59:55 - Inside DARPA
02:08:28 - Pentagon hired Sci-Fi writers
02:14:07 - Paramilitary assassins; Billy Waugh
02:29:40 - War VS Covert action debate
02:42:17 - Mechanics of Nuclear War
02:51:57 - The interceptor system
02:55:25 - EMP's
02:59:52 - Doomsday plane