In the “Disruptive Conversations” series, T.D. Jakes engages in discussions with noted thought leaders on the society-shifting principles from his book “Disruptive Thinking.” In Part One, civil rights attorney Ben Crump discusses how he fights to disrupt norms to reform the justice system into one that is equal for all people. He explains how forming disruptive alliances and stepping into unconventional situations is crucial for lasting change. The conversation illustrates the practical and powerful application of being a disrupter, even in the face of great adversity.

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