World-famous artists Es Devlin and Hans Zimmer come together in this DLD session to share their perspectives on sustainability and a circular economy with moderator Hans Ulrich Obrist (Serpentine Galleries).

Devlin has been called “the world’s most influential set designer” by The Observer and is known for “performative sculptures”, as she calls them, that fuse music, language and light. She designed the Olympic closing ceremony in London, for example, and has collaborated with artists like U2 and Beyoncé.

Hans Zimmer is one of Hollywood’s most successful composers ever. His scores include the music to Gladiator, Rain Man and Blade Runner 2049, among many others, earning him an Oscar, two Golden Globe and three Grammy awards.

Asked what artists can contribute to fundamental change in society, Devlin points out that collaboration will be key to success.

“I think a lot of what prevents collaboration can be fear”, she observes, noting that she herself used to be afraid that the ideas of others might be better than her own. “The way through that is to try and practice a lack of fear”, she advises. “And if we want to shift our practices… we're going to have to collaborate in order to achieve that, and we're going to have to overcome fear of other people's ideas being perhaps better.”

The Art of Listening
Zimmer sees great value in the ability of many artists to support each other, for example in an orchestra. “We musicians”, he says, “we don't need to look at each other. What we're really good at is listening.”

And “if you use that as a model for society, that’s is not necessarily a bad thing”, the composer adds. “So ask us musicians – and we won't give you an answer, but we'll listen to you.”

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