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Content warning: This interview includes extensive discussion and descriptions of sexual assault.

In this episode, we talk with comedian and director W. Kamau Bell. He directed a new documentary series. It’s called We Need To Talk About Cosby. It’s about Bill Cosby – who he is, what he’s done, and how we deal with that. It’s a complicated, difficult topic. One that intersects with the fabric of the American entertainment system, with race, the justice system, the MeToo movement and so much more. In this conversation we talk with Kamau about the documentary at length. He talks about what Cosby meant to him as a kid and as a comic. He talks about Cosby’s pioneering work in civil rights and in television, and about how we struggle to square all that with the person we now know Cosby to be. We Need To Talk About Cosby will be available to watch via Showtime on January 30.